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A religious tolerance principle some city(ies) might have.

Posted 2 Months ago by chiarizio

Suppose there’s a world in which there are Zoroastrians, Muslims, Jews, and Christians.
And Zoroastrians take Thursdays off work to worship.
And Muslims take Fridays off work to worship.
And Jews take Saturdays off to worship.
And Christians take Sundays off to worship.

Suppose that some city or cities, tied for first place among the most influential and powerful cities in that world, have variations on the real-life “blue laws” or “Sunday closing laws”. Everyone who works has to get two full days off in the four consecutive days of Thursday through Sunday.
Suppose that includes all business owners.

If a business is to be open seven days a week, the main owner needs a partner who can run it on the days s/he is off.
Maybe if s/he is Zoroastrian or Muslim and takes Thursdays and Fridays off s/he needs a Jewish or Christian partner to run it those two days;
and if s/he is Muslim or Jewish and takes Fridays and Saturdays off s/he needs a Zoroastrian or Christian partner to run it those two days;
and if s/he is Jewish or Christian and takes Saturdays and Sundays off s/he needs a Zoroastrian or Muslim partner to run it those two days.

(Those are just illustrative examples. First, perhaps the main owner’s days off aren’t consecutive. Second, maybe not both of their off days have to be handled by the same junior partner; they could have two partners, who might be different religions.)

(One possible consequence is nobody can own more than 5/7 of any business that’s open seven days a week.)

To support all this, the city government has a regulation that at least 1/7 of their population must be each of the four religions; so no single religion can grow to more than 4/7 of the population.

…..

Suppose some budding empire had more than one major city with such customs?

Suppose there’s some city outside but nearish that empire, where tolerance between, or at least integration of, religions was exceptional? In other words, religious segregation was the norm?
Suppose a coalition of the rich and the powerful in this foreign city want to open up profitable trade relations with the integrated cities, and send a delegation of merchants and diplomats (and, let’s be real, intelligence agents) to our friends?
What will they think of this integration thing?

Let’s assume the other empire has the same four religions living in it, but each of its cities is dominated by one majority religion without much consideration for inhabitants who aren’t co-religionists. Also, the sovereign or emperor/empress of this other empire entirely favors the majority religion of his/her capital city with some concessions to the second-biggest but little to the others?

On their way from the foreign capital to the border the delegation will have to pass through middle-sized and smaller cities of their own empire that are each dominated by some other religion than their own.
Then they enter the empire of the religiously integrated cities.
What will that do to their attitude?

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In my examples if a Zoroastrian and a Muslim are partners the Muslim is the senior partner and the Zoroastrian is the junior partner;
And if a Jew and a Christian are partners the Jew is the senior partner and the Christian is the junior partner.
(But if a Muslim and a Jew are partners either can be the senior partner and either can be the junior partner.)

But the examples I mentioned are probably not the only arrangements available.
For instance a Christian senior partner might take Sundays and Fridays, or Sundays and Thursdays, off, and work Saturdays.
And/or have two junior partners, a Zoroastrian and a Muslim.
Or a Jew and a Zoroastrian, or a Jew and a Muslim, even if they take Saturday off; let the Jewish partner handle Sundays and the other one handle Saturdays.

2 Months ago
chiarizio
 

I think most people would prefer their two off-days to be consecutive.
If their off-days weren’t consecutive they’d probably prefer their work-days to be consecutive.

So most will take off either:
Thursdays and Fridays; or
Fridays and Saturdays; or
Saturdays and Sundays.

The fourth-most popular arrangement will probably be to take off
Thursdays and Sundays. (And work Fridays and Saturdays, as well as Mon-Tues-Wednes.)
It might be popular with Zoroastrian or Christian senior partners who have Muslim or Jewish junior partners. (Those junior partners would take Fri and Satur off.)

Thursdays and Saturdays, or Fridays and Sundays, will likely be the least popular combinations. In my opinion.

2 Months ago
chiarizio
 

Four day weekends!

2 Months ago
elemtilas
 

You wrote:
Four day weekends!

Mmmnot quite.
In my opinion regularly taking four days off out of a week of fewer than eight days would be bad for business.
You’d be off 57.1428% of the days of the week, and working only 42.8571% of the days of the week.

I’d love to be wrong about that, though!

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No, this conculture’s “blue law” or “Sunday closing law” only says everyone has to take at least two full days a week off.
Their days off must include at least two of the four days Thu-Fri-Sat-Sun.
They could choose any two of those four days; there could be six different arrangements, though I suppose the favorites will be Th-Fr, Fr-Sa, Sa-Su, and Th+Su. I suppose Th+Sa and Fr+Su will be least popular.

But, hey. I don’t live there. I could be wrong.

2 Months ago
chiarizio
 

@chiarizio

Mmmnot quite.

No, this conculture’s “blue law” or “Sunday closing law” only says everyone has to take at least two full days a week off.


Drat.

But wait: if the law says "at least two days off", then perhaps folks could compromise and have three day weekends! Or work every other day!

1 Month ago
elemtilas
 

@elemtilas:
You wrote:
Drat. …. But wait: if the law says "at least two days off", then perhaps folks could compromise and have three day weekends! Or work every other day!

Well, yes; but I doubt they’d make a living that way. That would be a good strategy for, say, a semi-retiree, or a young person whose parent(s) subsidized their necessities but wouldn’t fund luxuries or hobbies or entertainment or whatever.

If the culture made it to a post-scarcity economy it might make good sense for the average person to work just three days a week.
Or maybe, to save on energy or reduce carbon or heat footprint, they’d still work forty hours a week but make it four ten-hour days.
Or maybe add a fifth religious group and make the regulation require two full days off among the five consecutive days of Thursday through Monday.

I actually thought about that Thursday-through-Monday idea before posting my OP. But I decided to leave it simple.

……….

Clearly in my own thinking I was imagining an alternate history of a time in which all four of those religions were religions of empires, and tolerance and integration were still possibilities. So caravans and sailing ships and so on might be part of the stories; the Silk Road or the spice islands or something.

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I appreciate that you’re reading and commenting on this! Thanks!

1 Month ago
chiarizio
 

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